The long NFL offseason begins as soon as the Super Bowl confetti touches the field and ‘The Ringer NFL Show’ is here to keep you on top of all the news still happening around the league and heading into the 2024-25 season. Every Monday and Friday, Shiel Kapadia and Ben Solak deliver sharp takes on the draft, free agency, training camp, and beyond on 'Extra Point Taken.' On Wednesdays is 'Dual Threat,' during which Steven Ruiz and Nora Princiotti dive deep into big offseason developments, with appearances by Ringer favorites Austin Gayle and Lindsay Jones to share their expert football analysis.
They've kept their cards close to the vest. What that is, I think, one of the things that the consequence of that is that we we don't know anything about what the pages are gonna do at 3. If we knew what the commanders were gonna do at 2, we could start to, like, really delve into what the Patriots are gonna do at 3, but the Patriots are also really quite the tough nut to crack. They're a big riddle, Less so because, like, you know, they're kind of keeping the reporting in house, but more so because, like, Elliott Wolff, Alonzo Highsmith, Jerrod Mayo. Like, they are completely new. Like, this is the 1st Patriots team we've had outside of the Belcher era in a year starts with the 2. Do we don't know what they care about as a team? Like, are they gonna care about size? Do they care about movement skills? What do they wanna be philosophically? We just don't know. And so I think Jaden, but, man, JJ wouldn't surprise me. Tradeback wouldn't surprise me. Yeah. Mike Reiss, of ESPN, very plugged in. Great guy, great reporter. He's been covering that team for a long time. He had a piece on ESPN over the weekend that suggested that, like, he feels like or his reporting suggests that, it's gonna be a quarterback for the Patriots that they just feel like they can't pass on it, at this point when they have the number 3 overall pick. But again, everything comes with a caveat, so you never know. Alright. Let's alright. So you have Daniels at 3, and then what would you have at 4? What what did you have in your market for? A trade a trade someone trades up I think the Cardinals I think the Cardinals are staying and taking a wide receiver. That's my that's my expectation. Oh. I I think that Marvin Harrison f 4. I the way that the way that Monty seems to be running this right now is basically saying, hey. Like, I would like to stay and take Marvin. Like, you can move me off of it if you absolutely nuke the offer. Like, that's that's the presentation. Schefter was on McAfee earlier today. We're recording on Monday talking about how if a trade happens for 4, he thinks it's gonna be on draft night. It goes back to what we talked about on last Monday's episode. The closer we get to draft day and this trade doesn't happen, I think the more sketchy this gets from Minnesota, the more interesting that this gets overall. But he so he thinks a trade for 4 wouldn't happen until draft night, which is fair. Right? You you don't if you're the cardinals, you don't know which quarterback's gonna be there at 4. And so you you have there's you could make a trade now and make another team take the risk for
A throwaway line. You you were talking about what teams in the NFC would you like to be the general manager of? He had a rank of it. Correct. And we were debating Lions versus Packers, and and I said, oh, Lions' great, but Jared the Jared Goff of it all. Right? And what I meant by that was Jared Goff is about to get a contract extension from the Detroit Lions. Alright? He is up. He's got 1 year left on his deal. They have him coming up. They have Penny Sewell coming up. They have a Monroe Saint Brown coming up. And Goff who, tie Jared slash Tyler is absolutely correct. 30 year old quarterback at recent postseason success, has had postseason success multiple points in his career, has has established himself as a starter, has established himself as a franchise guy. They've been chanting his name in the in the building, dude. Like, hey. He is a talented player who's a x first overall pick. Who would not want to have this dude? You are absolutely correct. Like, when Goff landed in Detroit, he was the butt of the Sean McVay joke. He was the guy who McVay proved that he can make it happen with anybody, and now McVay would like for it to happen with a real boy. Right? McVay would like to be an actual guy. In Detroit, landing with Ben Johnson and and some of the development there, Goff has not just found another situation that's really good for his skill set. He has also, like, improved as a player. Goff does not nearly crumble, crumble under pressure and blitz the way he used to. Still doesn't like the blitz, but he doesn't he doesn't crumble or fall apart or short circuit nearly the way he used to. He is more willing to make aggressive throws, and he absolutely has shown, like, longevity and toughness. And and that arm that got him drafted 1st overall still gets him out of so many problems. So Goff is a is a is a likable player. Right? Goff is a starting caliber quarterback in the league. When you have to get to the stage where you're paying this guy $50,000,000, $45,000,000, which is about where the lines are going to be, it makes team building and team management a lot harder. Because while golf has plenty of likable traits and works great for that system and Ben Johnson knows what he's good at and Goff knows what Johnson wants, and there's synergy there, and there's there's harmony there. Goff is not an elevator the way that a Patrick Mahomes is an elevator, the way that a Josh Allen is an elevator, the way that Joe Burrow is an elevator, the way Lamar Jackson is an elevator. And and and
Hot prerecord, and I'm running hot now. I'm really rockable. Yeah. Austin has been dropping some takes. We played a little overrated, underrated impromptu on the on the pre show call. Talked about our coffee orders. Austin has had You know, venti this morning or at a Trenta? I went venti went venti. Okay. Okay. Just a venti. There was a there was Trento phase. I had a Trento phase. You had a Trento phase. I I felt myself coming down off the cliff. I I felt myself. I saw the conversation with my doctor at 40 saying it's So I I kind of I pulled back and now we're in the we're in the bed. When when does that happen for podcast listening? Like, the the three times. Yeah. The now I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm gradually getting into, like, 2.6,2.7x on the podcast listening front, but only with podcasts that I listen to all the time. Like, you have to create this, like, habit around, like, knowing their voices, knowing their cadence. You can't do it with every pod, but, that's where I'm at. We don't know how you even can understand the words. Anything approaching. You get past 1.8 for me. It sounds I've just it's completely impossible. I respect that it's it's a talent. You have to, like, drip it. You have to drip it. Right? It's like you start at 2, and then you get to 2.1. You're like, okay. I can add a little juice. You get to 2.2 over time. Think I could hit 5. I don't know. We'll see. There must be an outer limit of just, like, the the ability to comprehend. But I I look forward to hearing, you stretch the boundaries of of human aural ability. Sometimes I'll listen without headphones and, my girlfriend will be here and she's like, you're gonna lose your mind. You're gonna wake up hearing voices sometimes because I watched all eight seasons of suits at one point five x, and and she's not happy. Let's just say that. She's not She had been doing stuff like that with with and retained. No. I I I I might have I might have touched the sun on that one. It Chris was jealous of of how high I went on the on the on the on the 1.5 x for eight seasons of suits.
Broncos. I have no idea what this team is going to do. I'm not even totally sure what I think they should do. Okay? So you look at their off season, they move they take their medicine, they move on from Russell Wilson, they trade Jerry Judy. So where does that leave them? That leaves them with the 12th overall pick and 8 picks overall, but that's a little deceiving. So, like, 6 of those picks are on day 3. They only have 2 picks, in the first three rounds of the draft. Then you go over, you check out their depth chart. Alright. What do they need? What are they looking for here? If the season started today, it would be Jarrett Stidham throwing to Courtland Sutton, Josh Reynolds, and Marvin Mims. I don't really know how Sean Payton might feel, about that. So you look at that, there was an off season report from The Athletics' Diana Rossini last month, or I guess it was more than a month now, saying that they at least kicked the tires on Kirk Cousins. Alright. But the wait. They were looking at a veteran quarterback at that age thinking maybe we can win a little bit now, but now you look at the roster. Can you really win now? So what is their plan? Do they come out of this draft with a quarterback? Are they, as you indicated, potentially a mystery team that says we have 12, we're close enough where we can take a big swing on one of these guys, get up there to number 4. We can't be shy just because the Russell Wilson thing didn't work out with the big swing there. We still need to add a quarterback. We can't go into the season like this. Or do they do something else? Do they look at it and say, you know what? This is just a take our medicine type of year. Let's just be smart. Let's draft some young talented players the best we can. Let's build up the roster. We'll try to be competitive knowing that we might not be a great team this year. And then next off season, maybe Dak Prescott's available, maybe there are other options available where we can get that veteran quarterback in here. And then the last thing, Soulac, that makes this weird is like, the head coach GM dynamic
And you get, like, a stud. Right? Like, one of the top 3 receivers falls, and then you get, like, an offensive lineman at 3rd round or 4th round who actually contributes, you can then go and say, like, see, I could also do it with less draft capital. Right? I if you let me I can still bring talent into this building. We just have to get quarterback right, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. It's a thin argument. Right? Like, it you you have to have some degree of team success this year to really be able to kinda weasel your way through it. I bring this up all of the time. But if you look at the history, Jill, of quarterbacks drafted in the 1st round, I, I have the data from 2010 to 2021, which is every every first round pick we've seen at least 3 years from. When the 1st round pick at quarterback has a losing record through his first three seasons, the general manager who drafted him is fired 2 out of every 3 times, 66% of the time. A loser what did you say? A losing record? What was the stipulation? When the when the starting quarterback who drafted the 1st round is a losing record through 3 seasons. Right? Through 3 seasons. Okay. A proxy for, like, okay, like, you know, you sat for the first half of the year, and then you Right. You know, you you played, like, you know, like, well, like, I don't like, Desmond Ritter will have played enough games to qualify for this, but, like, that's kind of your floor. Right? But Ritter was a 3rd round pick. So you look at, like, at least, like, a season of total starts over the 1st few years for the guy. But Zach Wilson, he's drafted in 2021. He's a losing record as as as a as a a starter, and and his head coach is still employed and his, general manager is still employed. And when you go and you look at the guys who made it through the the first three years, right, who made like, their their quarterback was losing for 3 years, but they stayed employed. It's like Kliff Kingsbury and Steve Keim made it through 3 years of of of of of Kyler Murray, and he was, just under 500 at that time. You have, Rick Spielman and Mike Zimmer who made it through, 3 seasons of, like, Teddy Bridgewater, right, being around 500. The names that you find of guys who survived, it's they're rarely like, oh, yeah. And then he really turned the ship around. Yeah. The patience paid off. Yeah. No. That's not really how it goes. So they they need Rodgers to be good and for quarterback to feel settled in order for, I think, Joe Douglas to hold him to the job for another year. So extremely big draft for Joe Douglas because
